[identity profile] gwynplainee.livejournal.com
Bonjour, citoyens:

I am new on this community (well, not so new >.>), but I haven't introduce myself. I'm very shy and my English has to get better, and I don't have enough knowledge to make a good debate.
Whatever, I would be very grateful if someone help me with this little question I have: How was the situation in the Comédie-Française in 1794-1795?

My (mediocre) investigation )

Thanks! And happy belated birthday, Marat...
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com
 

Saint-just, Augustin robespierre, Charlotte robespierre,
Where did they live in thermidor ?
Does anybody know ?
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com
 

Recueil de documents pour l'histoire du Club des Jacobins de Paris.


Séance du vendredi 16 septembre 1791
Présidence de M. Rœderer

... ...

M. le Président fait lecture de deux lettres adressées à la Société par MM. de la Porte, Olivet, Carle, Coubrel et Mérard de Saint-Just, qui demandent à rentrer dans la Société. Le dernier proteste n'avoir pas mis les pieds aux Feuillants, les autres avouent y avoir été, mais avoir tenté tous les moyens de réunion. Cette assertion est certifiée par M. Salle. - M. Corroller demande que ces messieurs soient admis à se présenter, comme les autres membres, en passant par le scrutin ordinaire. M. Mendouze représente que, lors de la dernière députation aux Feuillants, on offrit de signer une rétractation ; il demande que ceux qui se présenteront désavouent ce qu'il y avait d'insultant pour la Société dans cette rétractation. (Approuvé généralement.)

M. Thomas. - Et moi aussi, je suis pour la sévérité ; mais, depuis, j'ai eu par moi-même la preuve que plusieurs personnes ont été réellement trompées. J'ai été un des commissaires du Comité de révision, j'ai maintenu les principes de sévérité, j'ai proposé plusieurs fois de prendre un parti quelconque vis-à-vis de ceux qui nous avaient abandonnés ; mais je me disais ce que depuis j'ai reconnu être une vérité, je crois qu'il y en a beaucoup qu'on induit en erreur. Il faut donc trouver un moyen de les distinguer. Je voudrais donc qu'on obligeât les dissidents qui voudraient rentrer à être appuyés par trois membres au lieu d'un, et, lorsqu'ils seraient admis, de rétracter solennellement à la tribune leur déclaration. Ce serait une satisfaction suffisante pour la Société.

... ...

M. Dubois de Crancé. - Votre exemple, Messieurs, sera sans doute suivi par tous les bons députés ; cependant je crois que nous devons recevoir ceux des Feuillants qui sont purs ; ils sont notre bien, nous devons les prendre partout où nous les trouvons. (Aux voix ! aux voix !)

La discussion est fermée ; enfin, après quelques amendements proposés et rejetés, on arrête la proposition faite par plusieurs membres de s'en tenir à un nouveau scrutin pour les réceptions ou les rentrées.

... ...


Feuillants and Jacobins ?

Saint-Just ?
are they the same person ?
[identity profile] hansah.livejournal.com
Hello all!
I'm searching historical details I can't find (it's mostly dates). Can you help me please ? Here are my questions :
1 - Saint-Just wrote to Robespierre, far before meeting him. It was a letter full of admiration for Maximilien : anyone wan tell me when ? (month and year, please)
2 - When Robespierre and Saint-Just met for the first time ? any details about this encounter ?
3 - Robespierre was quite often ill. If memory serves, he was badly ill, for a very long time in may/june 1793 (for about a month), and then in february/march 1794 (for about a month again). Is that correct ? And is there others periods and dates where Robespierre was ill ?
4 - and last question : Saint-Just was a kind of warrior and he was sent more than a few times at the frontiers to make the war. Can someone tell me, please, where he was sent and when ? (the dates, please)
Thanks a lot !
[identity profile] amie-de-rimbaud.livejournal.com
 Salut et fraternité citoyens,

So I was telling someone about some illustration of Robespierre I'd seen in which he's a vampire...but now I can't find it anywhere! From what I remember, it's Robespierre with fangs in front of a guillotine (or maybe several guillotines), probably some 19th c. British portrayal. I thought I'd even seen it on this community, but I can't seem to find it as I peruse the archives. In any case, I'm sure one of you has seen it and can direct me to the source.

Merci!
[identity profile] lacommunarde.livejournal.com
As "on June 18, 1948, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights adopted its International Declaration of Human Rights," I figured today would be a good day to ask this. I hope it isn't too off topic...

Which Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen - the one from '89 or the one from '93 - has more similarities with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948?

I personally think that the one from '93 does, but I'm curious to know what other people think.
[identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
Random fashion question today to solve a not-so-grand mystery of representations.

What's up with the all-too-dandy canes in Wajda's Danton and in the BBC docudrama? Isn't British!not!Carnot soooo proud in the back? Even... a little too much? While Emo BritishCockney!not!Collot is Emo. Wait, "emo"... I thought that was supposed to be the job of British!Orlando Bloom Billie Joe Armstrong Adam Lambert!not!Saint-Just. Sorry, I got confused.

Were they really a key fashion accessory then? Louis-Sébastien Mercier seems to more or less confirm it in the Tableau de Paris, apparently:

« Elle a remplacé l’épée qu’on ne porte plus habituellement, dit-il. On court le matin une badine à la main ; la marche en est plus leste et l’on ne connaît plus ces disputes et ces querelles si familières il y a soixante ans, et qui faisaient couler le sang pour de simples inattentions… On n’aurait réussi qu’avec peine à interdire le port des armes : le Parisien s’est désarmé de lui-même pour sa commodité et par raison… Les femmes ont repris la canne qu’elles portaient dans le XIe siècle. Elles sortent et vont seules dans les rues et sur les boulevards, la canne à la main. Ce n’est pas pour elles un vain ornement ; elles en ont besoin plus que les hommes, vu la bizarrerie de leurs hauts talons qui ne les exhaussent que pour leur ôter la faculté de marcher. La canne à bec de corbin disparaît peu à peu et ne se verra bientôt plus que dans la main du contrôleur ou directeur des finances qui seul est dans l’usage d’entrer ainsi chez le roi. »

Lazy translator here is lazy.

If Louis-Sébastien Mercier says it in the Tableau de Paris...!

But why is it only The Worst Portrayals Evar (from my POV they are, sorry) who give them this top fashion and admittedly cool accessory? And why not in La Révolution française while we're speaking of Worst Portrayals (lol)? It would have been practical to beat the crap out of Desmoulins in this ~famous scene~? (I'm being facetious, okay.) Are there other representations I missed that show them with canes too? Discuss.
[identity profile] rohajavongareth.livejournal.com
I was wondering how widespread education was in the Revolutionary era and/or the decades immediately prior to that.

To be a little more precise, how many people were actually literate and how was that spread over the different social classes? How much farther than that did the average education go? For example, who would have been able to understand Latin? Would you need to attend a special institution to get that degree of education?

On a related note, how widespread was the knowledge of different political theories? Who would have been well versed in those?
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com
OH NO! She's gonna talk about it..Yes..that horrible black day Thermidor..I'm a bit confused on it. Even in books..I'm like WTF?
 okay, here's what i do know.

Maxime and Co get arrested and sent to different prisons. They get released and all sort of beautiful things..xD So at the end, they're at City Hall at night..and..

that's where i get stumped.

I know Maxime attempted suicide and the others tried the same..well it seems like they were xD  I know Hanriot was outside with his soldiers, but they got lazy and tired, and went home. So again. I know Maxime was like hesisting to do anything..I know the robespierrist Mayor Les or whatever his name (too lazy to look it up -_-) And it may or may not rained.

Was Maxime alone with his associates? Was he with the commune? I'm so confused. I know the mess after. But why did he attempt to kill himself? That puzzled me. and why didn't they take any definitive action for their lives? (i'd do anything to save my life..clawing at people xD) Was it a lost cause?

Why didn't he try harder to save himself?

I'm prolly dumb xD and special..but i've always wondered it.  And i guess..since they lost the Commune.(as it gave up on them..) they were sitting ducks weren't they?

Anything helps xD Any corrections.xD  Any explantations for this?
 
[identity profile] amie-de-rimbaud.livejournal.com
I've been wondering:  what happened to all those bodies sans têtes? I assume--I'm sure I've read--about mass graves, but does anyone know where they are exactly? Down in the catacombs of Paris (which I've still not visited, sadly) would be my guess, but I didn't know for sure. I have a feeling this is common knowledge, so I apologize for asking a possibly silly question.

Also, was anything special done with the bodies of remarkable victims--Louis, or the Girondins--to ensure that followers didn't try to memorialize them in any way, or--creepiness alert--steal body parts to save as relics? Did they drive a stake through Maxime's heart to make sure he wouldn't rise from the dead? (I'm kidding) But I'd love to hear any fantastic stories of this nature.
[identity profile] wolfshadow713.livejournal.com
Does anyone know if it's available in the US/Canada on DVD?
[identity profile] wolfshadow713.livejournal.com
I've been sorting through Google Images and have found that there are (unsurprisingly) a number of depictions of Camille's speech at the Cafe du Foy. Can anyone point me to one of the better known/contemporary to the event ones? I'm looking for something that that has a relatively accurate depiction of the cafe at that time.
[identity profile] wolfshadow713.livejournal.com
I have a dilemma. For my French class, I am giving a presentation on the French Revolution. The focus of the class is the history of Paris, so I guess I need only focus on the parts of the Revolution pertaining to Paris but, even so, that's a lot of material. The presentation isn't supposed to be all that long, so I can't go hugely in-depth, but I've generally been dissatisfied with brief overviews of the Revolution becuase it seems they tend to play into popular misconceptions (misconceptions that can to favor apologists from either end of the spectrum) because they don't have time to explain the nuances of the situation. So, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the most important events/details to include to provide a balanced perspective on the Revolution.

Though, I'm tempted to assume that most students in an intermediate/advanced level college French class should have over the years absorbed enough about the Revolution to know the basics and then just talk about the arguments surrounding Paris' influence on the Revolution...
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com

I'm not sure if anyone has seen this anime; i have it. It's very nice or whatever. I actually think it's a great anime except the fact it's
main character is D'Eon. (the title is.Le Chevalier D'Eon). Apparently he was someone famous in the 17th century or whatever..-_- and

GASP!


who was there?

Leaders of the bad guys?

But our own Maximilien Robespierre

*facepalm*
(does that ever get old?)

Apparently in this anime; He wants to bring revolution to the world and that means even slaughtering royalty *cheers*

and gasp some more..He's wigless and BLONDE!

I'll show you..


 

Maxime....... )

 

isn't that divine? >.>  Just to let you guys know. I actually really really enjoyed this anime; though i didn't get far.
and another important question..

i've heard..is it true when Maxime went under the blade that he actually was facing upward when the blade came down? I've read it one book but i'm not totally sure. I know his bandage was ripped off. God that must of hurt..
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com
Did Robespierre really have glasses that were tinted green? Or was it some author's imagination? I've read it some books and they mentioned this and some others don't. And i was wondering if it was true or not. It sounds cool. Though it bogs my mind really.

I was just wondering about these weird details; Because i didn't think it was possible back then to do that. XD
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
One of bizarre stories I've heard floating around about the French Revolution is that Marie Antoinette's last letter to Mme Elisabeth was found under Robespierre's bed after his execution. Funny how no biography I've read of his has ever mentioned this, you'd think it would be important. Anyway, does anyone know where this story came from?
[identity profile] misatheredpanda.livejournal.com


Sign found in Chambéry. I've been meaning to ask, does anyone know what this is referring to? I admittedly haven't looked into it very thoroughly, but what I've found hasn't much gone beyond the fact that Hérault was indeed in Chambéry (and that he was responsible for the lovely plaque outside Les Charmettes). Just curious, and especially would like to know what it was that warranted placing this sign. If anyone might be able to point me in the right direction - thanks!

Edit. I'm really confused about the whole tagging system - I know, I need to get with it - but somehow managed to add this tag. Granted the post is relevant to the Committee of Public Safety but it seems like it would be even more convenient to add "hérault de séchelles" and "chambéry" or "missions" as tags, say. :( Please help me in my fastidiousness, Citoyenne [livejournal.com profile] trf_chan.
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
Does anyone know if any photographs exist of the statue of Robespierre erected in Moscow in 1918? It didn't last very long - 'the concrete cracked in a frost' say some accounts, 'it was blown up' say others (ah, historical controversy, it's never far away...). They had a battleship 'Marat', too (the French had a battleship class of 'Dantons'!). Btw, the French music magazine, the awkwardly named Les Inrockuptibles (does it still exist?) - is that meant as some sort of peculiar 'tribute'?
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
I heard a reference to the Committee of Public Safety's drinks bill on a radio programme a couple of years ago, but I've never come across a written reference to it. Does such a thing exist, or was it a post-Thermidor 'hey, don't blame us, we were drunk all the time' excuse? I've also heard similar about the Tribunal, but again haven't found a reliable, non-anecdotal, non-hostile source.
I'm also aware that the average alcohol intake was universally far higher from the dawn of time until the 19thc - it was safer than water!
On a related issue, does anyone know if the opiate laudanum was used/abused in France as much as it was in Britain at the time? I don't know how greatly the trade links would have made a difference here. I can't remember ever having come across a reference in anything on the Revolution - the Romantic poets in Britain in the 1790's were living on the stuff - but I did wonder if that, rather than the usually assumed bisexuality, may have been Camille Desmoulins' 'vice'?
[identity profile] marieclaire08.livejournal.com

I'm looking for a citation establishing who were on the committee that drafted the 1793 version of the Rights of Man and Citizen. Both Saint-Just and Robespierre were on that, right? Who else? I just know there must be a specific list of names. Can anyone lay a hand on an authoritative citation for the information?

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