[identity profile] ephaistion85.livejournal.com
I am sorry if someone already posted about this book, I did not find anything in the tag.
A couple of months ago I finished to read the new edition of Robespierre, derniers temps by J.Ph. Domecq, as I was curious to read about an alternative approach to historical narration. I am not an historian myself, but I am interested in history and as a writer (to-be?), historical fiction is my preferred genre.
The book is an interesting experiment, although, in my opinion, the author sets to himself a too high task; for those of you who might have not read it, it is an attempt to explain the behaviour of Robespierre in the nigh of Thermidor through what the author calls `intuition de la littérature'. The book is not completely fiction and it is constructed around quotation of various sources (primarily Robespierre's speeches), fragmented by an attempt of narrative and various thought of Domecq himself.
The experiment was at first curious, but it soon become really annoying and personally I do not think it achieved anything new; moreover the fictive portions were not enjoyable.
Furthermore at the end of the book is attached a shorter essay (La littérature comme acupuncture) about the role and the theory of historical fiction and the eventual contribution that a writer can give to a historian. It starts from a very sharp critic of another novel, Littell's Les Bienfaisants (that I personally enjoyed as a reading), to debate about the reception both in Literature and in History of Robespierre's figure.
Now, some questions for you. I was curious to know your opinion if you have read the book. Secondly, what is for you `good historical fiction'? I have read mostly discontent with fiction settled during the French Revolution, so it will be interesting to have some debate about what would be a good fiction (if it is actually possible to have one). Moreover what is the relation between (good) historical fiction and History itself, taking to account the fact that we are speaking of two really different genres with very different rules?
[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
I have been extremely negligent in not posting this earlier, but as one of the founding members of the Association pour un musée Robespierre à Arras (AMRA), I'd like to invite you all to sign our petition in favor of turning the house Robespierre lived in from 1787 until his departure for Versailles as deputy to the Estates-General in 1789 into a museum dedicated to teaching the public about Robespierre and the Revolution. (For an idea of what this project could turn out to be, check out Saint-Just's house in Blérancourt.)

You might be wondering about the status of the house and why it is not yet a museum, at least not one devoted to Robespierre and the Revolution. At the bicentennial of the Revolution, the city of Arras acquired the property for that purpose, but it then entrusted its restoration to the "Compagnons du devoir" in exchange for the use of the building for their own museum, dedicated to the history of guild/trade organizations and with only a tiny space devoted to Robespierre's youth in Arras. While the AMRA definitely considers that the Compagnons deserve to have their own museum, there are potentially other spaces that would suit them equally well, while, for obvious reasons, Robespierre's house is really the most appropriate place to have a museum regarding him and his role in the Revolution. You can read more about the history of the house here.

Because it would really be nice to have some kind of permanent space for the education of the public regarding Robespierre and the Revolution in his city of origin, I encourage you all to sign the petition. You don't have to live in France or be a French citizen to sign. Please help us get to our minimum goal of 5,000 signatures.

If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them.
[identity profile] jansephine.livejournal.com
 The Penny Dreadfuls Present: Revolution

“It is recorded that Robespierre visited Marie-Therese at one point in the tower but there is no historical record of that conversation. This play is that conversation.”

Hi Everyone!
I’ve been reading your blog posts for nearly a year, but never join the debate because of my English. Yesterday, I found a BBC radio play on youtube which is really fun. It is a conversation between Robespierre (Richard E Grant) and Marie Therese (Sally Hawkins). Did anyone here listen to this play?

Ps.Sorry for my terrible English!

The French Revolution was one of the most far-reaching social and political upheavals in modern history spanning 10 years and involving the execution of the King, collapse of monarchy and slaughter of thousands at the guillotine. Starring Richard E Grant and Sally Hawkins, comedy trio The Penny Dreadfuls will attempt to tell the epic story of the Revolution in one hour, with jokes.
The play's two main characters are Maximilien Robespierre the dictatorial architect of the Reign of Terror, who sent thousands to their death and Marie-Therese, the 16 year old daughter of Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI.
Marie-Therese was incarcerated for three years by the revolutionaries. When she was locked up her father, mother, aunt and little brother were also with her. After the execution of her father the rest of the family were moved to another part of the tower and Marie-Therese was kept in solitary confinement. It is recorded that Robespierre visited Marie-Therese at one point in the tower but there is no historical record of that conversation. This play is that conversation.
Revolution is written by comedy trio The Penny Dreadfuls, Humphrey Ker, David Reed and Thom Tuck, all successful in their own rights as solo performers and all taking their own shows to Edinburgh this year. Last year they wrote an Afternoon Play for Radio about Guy Fawkes and they have previously had two series of The Brothers Faversham broadcast on Radio 7.
Richard E Grant - Robespierre,
Sally Hawkins - Therese
David Reed, Humphrey Ker, Thom Tuck and Margaret Cabourn-Smith will play all other roles in the show.
Producer - Julia McKenzie.

[identity profile] jonahmama.livejournal.com
Please check out this site: http://ser.hypotheses.org/148 and this facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/etudes.robespierristes. And if you can, please make a donation!

The SER and the French National Archives have 15 days to raise close to a million euros to prevent previously unknown documents by LeBas and Robespierre from being auctioned off to the highest bidder and possibly taken out of the country! These documents belong to the French nation, and should end up in the national archives in Paris, where historians can use them for the invaluable insight they give into the revolution. Please help save Robespierre's legacy!

(if you don't read French, Google Chrome's translation module works great on both sites)
[identity profile] fromrequired.livejournal.com
Recently, I was revisiting a couple of political works that are relevant to libertarianism (for those of you unfamiliar with the term, it's basically a political ideology that emphasizes maximum personal freedom and minimal government), and I came across this political criticism of the French Revolution revolutionaries from Frederic Bastiat, one of the most influential figures in modern libertarianism and Austrian economics. I personally thought it was quite refreshing compared to the usual kind of criticism of the French Revolution we often hear from Marie Antoinette fangirls.
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

The members of the National Convention
Places of Abode
“Commissaires aux archives”
Links : book

Maximilien Robespierre’s address was “rue des Cordeliers , passage du Commerce ” .

Augustin Robespierre’s address was “rue Saint-Honoré, No. 366 ” .

Maybe, These things found in the rue Saint-Honoré were not Maximilien’s ?
Maybe, Maximilien Robespierre was not familiar with the Duplays? Augustin was familiar with the Duplays?
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Rapport, 16 Nivôse an III
Links : letter
Title : “Lettre de St. Just à Robespierre”
“19 Août 1790”
“Signé St. Just”

The date of the letter : 19 August 1790
Signature : St. just

It seems that the French usually not use “St. just”, the English usually use “St. just” .
In addition, the English usually writes “rue Saint-Honoré” as “rue St. Honore” .

Maybe, the letter was forged? The letter was forged by English Spy?
[identity profile] fromrequired.livejournal.com
 I don't have much knowledge about the French Revolution (as you can tell by looking at my userpic, I'm more of a WWII fangirl) but I'm greatly interested in it. 

So in my AP Euro History class, we had to watch this documentary about the French Revolution. I'll post a part of it below:Read more )
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Saint-just, Augustin robespierre, Charlotte robespierre,
Where did they live in thermidor ?
Does anybody know ?


Nov. 14th, 2010 04:58 pm
[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com

In case anyone has given up on checking, the Amis de Robespierre have finally updated their website.

[identity profile] hansah.livejournal.com
Hello all!
I'm searching historical details I can't find (it's mostly dates). Can you help me please ? Here are my questions :
1 - Saint-Just wrote to Robespierre, far before meeting him. It was a letter full of admiration for Maximilien : anyone wan tell me when ? (month and year, please)
2 - When Robespierre and Saint-Just met for the first time ? any details about this encounter ?
3 - Robespierre was quite often ill. If memory serves, he was badly ill, for a very long time in may/june 1793 (for about a month), and then in february/march 1794 (for about a month again). Is that correct ? And is there others periods and dates where Robespierre was ill ?
4 - and last question : Saint-Just was a kind of warrior and he was sent more than a few times at the frontiers to make the war. Can someone tell me, please, where he was sent and when ? (the dates, please)
Thanks a lot !
[identity profile] amie-de-rimbaud.livejournal.com
 Salut et fraternité citoyens,

So I was telling someone about some illustration of Robespierre I'd seen in which he's a vampire...but now I can't find it anywhere! From what I remember, it's Robespierre with fangs in front of a guillotine (or maybe several guillotines), probably some 19th c. British portrayal. I thought I'd even seen it on this community, but I can't seem to find it as I peruse the archives. In any case, I'm sure one of you has seen it and can direct me to the source.

[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com
Annnnnd the winners of this month's quote challenge are:

1st place: [livejournal.com profile] maelicia
2nd place:: [livejournal.com profile] maelipstick


The answers, plus a possible correction )

[livejournal.com profile] maelicia, I'll be sending you a message about what next month's discussion point will be, along with guidelines/suggestions for the accompanying quote challenge.
[identity profile] jonahmama.livejournal.com

Ok, so my quote challenge didn't meet "official criteria," because I couldn't find all of my quotes in French (lacking access to a research library). However, some of you might still find it fun.

The following quotes were written about / to Robespierre by his friends and colleagues. I think it's fascinating to see how the people who actually knew him saw him. See if you can match the quotes with their authors. Trust me, there is no point in trying Google for most of these. You could scour books, but you might do just as well taking some educated guesses. I have a cool engraving of a scene from 9 Thermidor to email to the winner. :)

the quotes )
[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com
My apologies for the slight lateness of this!

Anyway, this month's quote challenge focuses on Robespierre. More specifically, it contains quotes of his from 1790 - 1794, which you must put in chronological order.

You will have until May 30th to respond to this post with your guesses. Comments will be screened until that time. The winner will be the first to get the greatest number of answers correct and will also be in charge of the quote challenge for next month (and I'll run the monthly discussion point by that person first just to be sure they don't have any concerns about the feasibility of finding quotes related to it).

The only real rule, and this is a BIG rule, is no Googling. Googling would...well, it would make the whole thing fairly pointless. You are, however, able to scour any printed sources at your disposal for the quotes, as it involves a much larger amount of blood, sweat, and tears than just copying and pasting every quote into Google. :P

Annnnd, here we go! Quotage )
[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com
This month's discussion point is Maximilien Robespierre.

Because it's his birthday in a few days. Discuss any and all aspects of his life, his work, his views, his reputation, and anything else you think of!
[identity profile] kasai9no.livejournal.com
HELLO! To all you lovely people!
May this first post be a tiny homage to all of you and to the piece of history that always tends to be forgotten.

Brount ate his spectacles so he must go without them for a while... )

Just in case: it's a spoof off of an iconic Shepard Fairey print! Dozens of them have been made, almost everyone famous has been done...so I thought Robespierre might like one, too :)
[identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
This, which I just discovered, just topped most of the reasons why I nurture love-HATE feelings for TV Tropes:

I must bring to your attention that Maximilien Robespierre has his own TV Tropes page!... Uh-huh, after all these weeks of playing around on that site, I just discovered it. (Or perhaps it's new.)

Amoral Attorney and Just The First Citizen, orly? *rises eyebrow*

...hm, I don't know who exactly is this group in charge of TV Tropes, but they can sound like such cynical, bitter, ultra-sarcastic, arrogant b**ches at times. Trust me, I can tell. Ha ha ha, [livejournal.com profile] maelicia can do humor.

Some of the Tropes listed there can be, as usual, pretty hateful and/or just plain irritating, and any Historical Inaccuracies/Slash Mentions (yes, they exist -- that's how I first came across that site in fact) aside:

1) I love how, in "Just The First Citizen", Robespierre coexists with Roman Emperors, Stalin, Kim Jong-il, Hitler and Mussolini. Admittedly, it's rather unexpectedly appreciated that they put all presidents and prime minister of the present democracies in the same package deal. In other words: we're doomed.

2) Hoist By His Own Petard: he was eventually executed via guillotine, the fate he assigned to so many others. Ugh. I'm so tired of this one. But it could have been worse, they could have listed Karmic Death. However, Karmic Death is a bit too overused in Original Thermidorian Literature (that is, the pamphlets, etc.) -- which I can testify of after much readings of said documents. Shoot me... but don't miss me in the jaw. Ha ha ha, moar humor.

3) Villains Out Shopping: At the height of the Terror, he lived a normal life at a respectable boarding house, eating toast every morning with his favorite marmalade and flirting with his housekeeper's daughters (although not too much as he was a rather prudish guy). After this of course, he would go to work and sentence lots of people to guillotining.
Yes, you know... that would be logical since IRL "Villains" don't really exist, IRL people you consider "Villains" never really consider themselves as such, and IRL people do lots and lots of very common, banal, boring stuff like everybody does. No, seriously. In between Important Guillotining Scenes and Plotting of Evil Plans Of Tyranny And Mass-Murdering, Robespierre doesn't just brood in the dark sipping red wine blood---oh wait.

4) I'm grateful for the "It's worth noting that many of the morality tropes here differ in different works/character representations." and "A highly controversial person, the level of sympathy allotted to him depends on the work." Small progress. However, the rest....

Thoughts? Comments? Guillotine? Complaints to register? (I really can't stop linking back to that one lately.)


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