[identity profile] camille-love.livejournal.com
So, I was not very much looking forward to reading this essay for my seminar today, but then I saw the first line and was hooked, obviously :)

...the rest of the essay has nothing to do with Saint-Just (or the French Revolution), sadly. Boo.
[identity profile] crimeson-plasma.livejournal.com
I have been interested in the french revolution for quite a while, and although I have read several books and biographies about some of the main people of it, I still haven't managed to find a good one of Saint-Just. Could you please recommend me one that is en english/spanish? (my french is not good enough to read a book)
[identity profile] fromrequired.livejournal.com
Recently, I was revisiting a couple of political works that are relevant to libertarianism (for those of you unfamiliar with the term, it's basically a political ideology that emphasizes maximum personal freedom and minimal government), and I came across this political criticism of the French Revolution revolutionaries from Frederic Bastiat, one of the most influential figures in modern libertarianism and Austrian economics. I personally thought it was quite refreshing compared to the usual kind of criticism of the French Revolution we often hear from Marie Antoinette fangirls.
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Rapport, 16 Nivôse an III
Links : letter
Title : “Lettre de St. Just à Robespierre”
“19 Août 1790”
“Signé St. Just”

The date of the letter : 19 August 1790
Signature : St. just

It seems that the French usually not use “St. just”, the English usually use “St. just” .
In addition, the English usually writes “rue Saint-Honoré” as “rue St. Honore” .

Maybe, the letter was forged? The letter was forged by English Spy?
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Saint-just, Augustin robespierre, Charlotte robespierre,
Where did they live in thermidor ?
Does anybody know ?

A Letter ?

Mar. 4th, 2011 06:31 pm
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Title : Lettre à Daubigny
Date of this letter : 20 juillet 1792
Links : Letter

Date of this letter : 20 July 1792

It doesn't look quite right if it was 1792 .
the content of this letter may happen in 1789 .

The date of the letter is wrong ?
[identity profile] hoald.livejournal.com

Recueil de documents pour l'histoire du Club des Jacobins de Paris.

Séance du vendredi 16 septembre 1791
Présidence de M. Rœderer

... ...

M. le Président fait lecture de deux lettres adressées à la Société par MM. de la Porte, Olivet, Carle, Coubrel et Mérard de Saint-Just, qui demandent à rentrer dans la Société. Le dernier proteste n'avoir pas mis les pieds aux Feuillants, les autres avouent y avoir été, mais avoir tenté tous les moyens de réunion. Cette assertion est certifiée par M. Salle. - M. Corroller demande que ces messieurs soient admis à se présenter, comme les autres membres, en passant par le scrutin ordinaire. M. Mendouze représente que, lors de la dernière députation aux Feuillants, on offrit de signer une rétractation ; il demande que ceux qui se présenteront désavouent ce qu'il y avait d'insultant pour la Société dans cette rétractation. (Approuvé généralement.)

M. Thomas. - Et moi aussi, je suis pour la sévérité ; mais, depuis, j'ai eu par moi-même la preuve que plusieurs personnes ont été réellement trompées. J'ai été un des commissaires du Comité de révision, j'ai maintenu les principes de sévérité, j'ai proposé plusieurs fois de prendre un parti quelconque vis-à-vis de ceux qui nous avaient abandonnés ; mais je me disais ce que depuis j'ai reconnu être une vérité, je crois qu'il y en a beaucoup qu'on induit en erreur. Il faut donc trouver un moyen de les distinguer. Je voudrais donc qu'on obligeât les dissidents qui voudraient rentrer à être appuyés par trois membres au lieu d'un, et, lorsqu'ils seraient admis, de rétracter solennellement à la tribune leur déclaration. Ce serait une satisfaction suffisante pour la Société.

... ...

M. Dubois de Crancé. - Votre exemple, Messieurs, sera sans doute suivi par tous les bons députés ; cependant je crois que nous devons recevoir ceux des Feuillants qui sont purs ; ils sont notre bien, nous devons les prendre partout où nous les trouvons. (Aux voix ! aux voix !)

La discussion est fermée ; enfin, après quelques amendements proposés et rejetés, on arrête la proposition faite par plusieurs membres de s'en tenir à un nouveau scrutin pour les réceptions ou les rentrées.

... ...

Feuillants and Jacobins ?

Saint-Just ?
are they the same person ?
[identity profile] citoyenneclark.livejournal.com
Hi! So I'm working on a paper about Saint-Just, (specifically the myths and his portrayal in the Black Book, how they are historically accurate, or not, and what historians think about SJ.) Yes...all this in 6 pages. (in one week) but don't get me started. Firstly, I was wondering if anyone knew where to find a full version of Charles Nodier's text about SJ. Historians seem to use bits and pieces, but I can't find the full version. (Is it in his/Alexander Dumas book the blue and the white?)

Secondly, I was wondering if any of you could suggest thermidorian sources, and sympathetic sources on SJ? I've decided/was assigned to divided the paper into 2 main parts, the things that the movie gets right, and the things they get wrong.

As for getting vaguely correct:
They portray SJ as a man of action
And show him to be a natty dresser/vanity

For the incorrect:
he's a bloodthirsty, sadistic kitten kicker
He's Robespierre's henchman
He's the life of the party.

I'm planning to use Curtis's book to disprove the henchman part. The issue is that a lot of the sources and antidotes on SJ, specifically about the EVIL! part, are all either really biased, or just bizare. And that goes for both sides of the debate. I'm thinking of using Gateau's writing about him, after he was executed, but that's a suspect piece also, and defiantly not impartial.

Currently I'm using Thompson's Leaders of the French Revolution, Palmer, and Hampson's books. Do you think this is even possible? >_<
Thanks everyone. Input is much much much appreciated.

Edit: seems spellcheck autmomatically changed Nodier's spelling. Fixed that.thanks!
[identity profile] amie-de-rimbaud.livejournal.com
 Happy Birthday to Saint-Just! Still looking pretty good for 243, I'd say ;)

I wish I had something interesting to share to commemorate this day, but sadly I don't. I was thinking of buying a cheap copy of Saint-Just et la force des choses that I'd found somewhere, since I haven't read much specifically about Saint-Just. 

Vive Saint-Just !
[identity profile] citoyenneclark.livejournal.com
I got this e-mail from the former webmaster, Susanna Coleman, it looks like Saint-Just.net has closed.

Dear everyone,

After a good many years, I've decided to close down Saint-Just.net. The Revolution is not one of my primary interests anymore, and now that I have a full-time career as a college instructor, I don't have the time to maintain the site.

The address Saint-Just.net will cease to function on July 4, but you can still access the site at this address:

I will take down the site entirely on August 26 (the day after Antoine's birthday!), so if you wish to save any materials or information from the site, please do so before then. I will delete this group on the 26th as well.

Thank you for visiting the site, and special thanks to everyone who's contributed to it over the years!

Salute et fraternité,
[identity profile] hansah.livejournal.com
Hello all!
I'm searching historical details I can't find (it's mostly dates). Can you help me please ? Here are my questions :
1 - Saint-Just wrote to Robespierre, far before meeting him. It was a letter full of admiration for Maximilien : anyone wan tell me when ? (month and year, please)
2 - When Robespierre and Saint-Just met for the first time ? any details about this encounter ?
3 - Robespierre was quite often ill. If memory serves, he was badly ill, for a very long time in may/june 1793 (for about a month), and then in february/march 1794 (for about a month again). Is that correct ? And is there others periods and dates where Robespierre was ill ?
4 - and last question : Saint-Just was a kind of warrior and he was sent more than a few times at the frontiers to make the war. Can someone tell me, please, where he was sent and when ? (the dates, please)
Thanks a lot !
[identity profile] coloneldespard.livejournal.com
The Les Mis community will have already seen this one, but I've been inspired by all the Revolutionary fan art lately to plonk it in here as well!
Because Hugo said that Enjolras had  )
[identity profile] kasai9no.livejournal.com
This one is for the Saint-Just lovers out there; it's got a weathered look to it this time since the photo was more minimal than the painting and it just looked so empty...

Thank you, Mr. Angel of Death, for having a cravat that is so much easier to draw with the pen tool )

And I forgot to mention! Please, feel free to use these pieces in parts, as a whole, do whatever you want with them (draw mustaches, cut them apart, put Robespierre in a dress, whatever). I have made them for you! They are vector artworks, so if I did my work right, they should resize quite nicely without pixelating.


Feb. 24th, 2010 07:57 pm
[identity profile] roza199.livejournal.com

It's my drawing of Robespierre & Saint-just ^^
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com
Okay i have to ask..because i don't think anyone has..

*look around the corners suspiciously*

Since i've been recently for the whole weekend, nursing a bad infection thus staying in bed like Maxime xD I thought..

why not?

anyhow, from any french revolutionary film, what is your favorite portrayal of Maxime or Saint-Just or Camille?

I have to think upon t his..>.>no i know it! I like Andrzej Seweryn as Maxime in La révolution française =0


Oct. 4th, 2009 04:59 pm
[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Another translation of a "portrait" from Humanité. This time of Saint-Just.

Louis-Antoine Saint-Just, Conscience of the Revolution )
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com

Since i'm a poet by some nature..I decided i should share my latest one. It's mostly about Maxime and St. Just in a kind of vague way.


I hope you like it!

Poetry this way.. )
[identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
Hello there, Revolution-lovers. I am living in Paris for the next four months (oh, yes) in the 17e arr., and for now I got the time to partially see the Parc Monceau, and on my way there, the famous Lycée Carnot in front of which Pierre Chaunu needs to spit every time he passes in front of it -- or so he says.

Today, I ventured to discover the Rue Saint-Just of Paris:

Here comes the joke about it -- prepare to laugh: I really love how it's a tiny, ridiculously tiny street almost out of the "walls" of Paris, that there's nothing worth seeing, and not even actual houses, and that it also happens to be connected to the "Avenue du cimetière des Battignoles". Oh, yes, because not only is it a dead-end, but it leads to a cemetary and all the addresses at the street are thus cemetary-related businesses:

No kidding.

Flowers for the dead, undertakers, marble for the tombstones and vaults, burial maintenance. Oh, the joke. Saint-Just appreciates the macabre humour, guys. It's really subtle. Subtler than that, you're called Simon Schama. Someone lol'ed himself to death when he gave him that street. Seriously. I'd like to see the minutes of the council that decided to attribute him that street... At least Robespierre's got a métro station, even if it's technically outside the 'walls' of Paris! Still better a métro station in a communist commune than a macabre intramuros street...

I think I stayed just two minutes on the actual street, because it was really almost, well, like they say la zone. It was really lost, and there were random people staring at me oddly or angrily or wtf-y, probably wondering why I was taking photos of the entrance of the cemetary, of the tiny businesses, and of the street panels, because none of them probably know who poor Saint-Just is.

--And, erm, because it just had to happen, as I was walking back the Avenue de Clichy to get the farthest from there, that's what I found:

Ooooooooooooooh dear. Now that's more of that same humour, isn't it? Oh dear.


Sep. 10th, 2009 10:06 pm
[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com
I'm doing this for one of my friends, as she just found out about the glorious Saint-Just (after a long texting session xD); So therefore, i need some suggestions as to the books that i can give to her.

Any books about him, please? S'il te plait? xD

thanks anyhow ^^


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