[identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
Finally!! I just found an extract online of the amazing La Terreur et la Vertu, near the ending of the second part "Robespierre".

This is the antidote needed after Terror! Robespierre and the French Revolution.

This is Saint-Just -- with natural authority, dignity, and a grand, tragic, resolute and sublime aura:




My translation of the dialogue:

COUTHON – Yes, write. (reciting) “Citizen-soldiers, generals and officers, armies of the Republic. The National Convention has fallen in the hands of rascals...”

(Couthon's voice fades, as Robespierre slowly walks to Saint-Just, who's standing near the window of the Hôtel de Ville.)

ROBESPIERRE – Why don’t you say anything?

SAINT-JUST – You know it. “In the name of the French people…” What people? It is not here.

ROBESPIERRE – Why did you follow me?

SAINT-JUST – “You, who sustain the fragile patrie against the torrents of despotism and intrigue… I do not know you, but you are a great man. You are not only the deputy of a province; you are the one of humanity, and of the Republic.”

ROBESPIERRE – What is this?

SAINT-JUST – You don’t remember?

ROBESPIERRE – No.

SAINT-JUST – One day, back in 1790, a young man from Blérancourt wrote a letter to a deputy he admired through his speeches. This deputy; it was you, Robespierre. This young man; it was I.

ROBESPIERRE – So, you wrote to me?

SAINT-JUST – And I did not change.

ROBESPIERRE – I was the loneliest man of the Constituante. And now, I am alone again. Always.

SAINT-JUST – And I…

ROBESPIERRE – Everything is lost, isn’t it?

SAINT-JUST – Yes, it is lost. It could not be otherwise. Considering who we are, both of us. Considering what we think.

ROBESPIERRE – Why didn’t you help us? Give us any advice?

SAINT-JUST – We possessed seventeen companies of gunners and thirty-two cannons. The Convention only had one company. We had to, at 19:00, lead two companies in front of the main door of the Convention; at the East door, one company; at the West door, two companies. We had to, at 19:30, invade the committees and immediately arrest all the members. We had to, at 19:45, invade the Convention, proclaim the Constitution of 1793 and outlaw Tallien, Fréron, Barras and all the other rotten scoundrels. We had to send, at the School of Mars, two companies to rally the students, the officers and the troops. We had to, at 20:00, in Paris, proclaim the triumph of the Commune. And the Insurrection of the Apathetic would have been crowned the Insurrection of the Bold.

ROBESPIERRE – And you did nothing?

SAINT-JUST – If I had, would you have approved it?

ROBESPIERRE – No…

SAINT-JUST – The People of 10 August had the right to invade the Tuileries. The People of the 31 May and of the 5 September, had the right to invade the Convention. Not the armies.

ROBESPIERRE – Yes…

SAINT-JUST – Today, all that was left to us was the dictatorship of the armies. The military dictatorship. We would have been suspended in a void. Robespierre, consul of the Republic. Saint-Just, consul of the Republic.

ROBESPIERRE – Of which Republic?



Edit: And if someone feels adventurous enough to watch it all in French without subtitles, I think I just found the whole second film online: http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xrrkt_star_vin_la-revolution-francaise

This is brilliant. And how apt.
[identity profile] hanriotfran.livejournal.com
Hi, People!:

                             I'm very interested in this book. I wish I could afford it, since it's not translated into Spanish and, even if I can find it in the web (Amazon, Ebay and all) its price in dollars or Euros it's to expensive for me. Since our peso was devaluated, it costs three times its price.

                                 But I'm not writing here to complain, but wanting to know if someone had actually read "Mistress of The Revolution" and if it is worth to purchase it. I read some interviews  to its authoress, Catherine Delors at the net, and it seems it's an interestin work. Of course, it's a novel, but good novels are as good as History books, I think.

                                    My main interest in "Mistress of the Revolution" is that one of its principal characters is Coffinhal, the man who attacked Hanriot and threw it to a common sewer, accusing him of cowardice the night of 9-10 Thermidor. I should want to know if Hanriot is present in the book and if the authoress shows him under a favorable point of view, or, if  as ever, he is depicted as a drunkard and a wild person. 

                                       I've read that for her, Coffinhal is quite a possitive character in the book...A thing I didn't like, LOL...

                                          HanriotFran(Vanesa)
[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
So, as promised, I'm finally (about a month late, but better late than never, I suppose) posting what I have as far as the portrayal of Éléonore Duplay in literature goes. The following links will only lead to English-language excerpts, but if anyone feels like browsing my journal there are a few French ones posted there too. 

In case anyone missed my explanation of why I'm doing all this for as minor a historical personage as Éléonore Duplay, I'll just briefly sum up my reasons: the first, is that--as many of you know--I'm planning of eventually writing a novel in which Éléonore will be the protagonist, so it's useful to me personally to know what others have written about her. The second is, quite simply, that it's actually possible to compile all the excerpts of novels and plays that feature Éléonore, whereas, if I were trying to do the same for say, Robespierre, well, there are entire books from his perspective... Needless to say, it would be pretty near impossible. Third, I figure since I'm making this compilation in any case, I might as well share it, since a little knowledge is unlikely to do anyone any harm. (In fact, at some point, I'll probably post some non-fiction excerpts as well, just to add some more *useful* knowledge to the mix.)

Also, while I'm not particularly fond of stating the obvious, I think it might be a good idea to note that since these are novels and plays, it's a good idea to take whatever notions the authors might get into their heads to represent, with a grain of salt. Or a whole shaker. Or a whole salt-mine. But you get the idea: when it comes to accuracy, some of these are better than others.

So, the links:

Burlesques, William Makepeace Thackeray, 1847
http://estellacat.livejournal.com/32147.html
http://estellacat.livejournal.com/32486.html
 British Artists from Hogarth to Turner: A Series of Biographical Sketches, Walter Thornbury, 1861 and The Atelier du Lys, or an Art Student in the Reign of Terror; Margaret Roberts; 1877
Macmillan's Magazine, John Morley, 1888
Longman's Magazine, Charles Longman, 1890 and The Journal of a Spy in Paris During the Reign of Terror, Charles Fletcher, 1895
The Friend of the People: A Tale of the Reign of Terror, Mary Rowsell, 1895
Robespierre: The Story of Victorien Sardou's Play Adapted and Novelized Under His Authority, Ange Galdemar, 1899
The Triumph of the Scarlet Pimpernel, Emmuska Orczy, 1922
Mon ami Robespierre, Henri Béraud (Translator: Slater Brown), 1928 
Jacobin's Daughter, Joanne Williamson, 1956 (Part I) 
Jacobin's Daughter, Joanne Williamson, 1956 (Part II)
The Incorruptible: A Tale of Revolution and Royalty, Helma de Bois, 1965
A Place of Greater Safety, Hilary Mantel, 1992
A Place of Greater Safety (2) 
A Place of Greater Safety (3)
City of Darkness, City of Light; Marge Piercy; 1996
(City of Darkness, City of Light again)
The Ninth Thermidor, M. A. Aldanov, 1926
The Gods Are Thirsty, Tanith Lee, 1996
The Danton Case, Stanislawa Przbyszewska, translated by Boleslaw Taborski in 1989
http://estellacat.livejournal.com/41024.html

One last thing: I had to make the font size very small on some of the entries in order to fit everything. I'm sorry for any annoyance/inconvenience that might cause, but it is possible to change the font size.

And as always, it would be interesting to see any comments any of you might have, either here or at the entries themselves. Happy reading!
[identity profile] morgan-wang.livejournal.com

Since Citoyenne elyse24601 has started a topic on the worst fictional representations, I thought I'd start a slightly more postive thread about the best fictional representations. So who do you think has written the best peice of french rev. fiction?

[identity profile] toi-marguerite.livejournal.com
Here's a thread I have just been dying to start.

To start off, the Worst Piece of Fiction Ever Written Award goes to Carolly Erikson for her absolutely abysmal The Hidden Diary of Marie Antoinette. She has all the best cliches and all the proof of having done absolutely zero historical research, including:
-a literally green Robespierre as the Source of All Evil, who has smallpox scars, bites his nails so obsessively he can't speak, is quite literally insane with paranoia and who actually  tries to straggle the Sweet, Virtuous Marie Anotoinette
-no other revolutionaries AT ALL! ROBESPIERRE SEEMS TO HAVE KILLED THEM ALL.
-the most unintentionally unsympathetic Antoinette I have ever read. She is a stupid, silly, frivolous twit and I want to hit her over the head with a shovel repeatedly.
-completely made-up events taking place instead of actual historical events!
-a Du Barry who has absolutely no redeeming characteristics at all. She's not even pretty. Why does the king sleep with her? No one knows, not even the freaking king.

And the Worst Representation of Louis Saint-Just Award goes to Rose of Versailles. This anime made Saint-Just a blood-thirsty terrorist who hides underneath the pews in churches, goes out wearing a mask to shoot at Spanish ambassadors, and stabs people in moving carraiges just for the fun of it. however, Saint-Just also managed to outrun a four-horse carriage, too, so that was pretty impressive.

In a close second is that crappy film noire movie I couldn't finish called The Black Book, where Saint-Just acutally KICKS A KITTEN.

The Weirdest Representation of Robespierre Award goes to another anime, Chevalier D'Eon. For no reason I can make out, Robespierre is one of the head members of a secret society trying to overthrow the king and enslave France by creating an army of mercury-filled zombies controlled by the Psalms. He is also blond and wigless.

Then I must go onto the Worst Representation of the Storming of the Bastille. This award goes to the recent Marie Antoinette film with Kirsten Dunst. She finds out while having a tea party. It is never mentioned again. No one knows it happened. No one appears to know what it is.

I think I can give the Most Cliche Representation of Robespierre to the Baroness Orczy, however, since she decided that Robespierre was insane, paranoid, and entirely dependant on the advice of some made-up spiritual medium. Her Robespierre also appears to be a literally green-skinned, "pussy-footing tyrant" who obsessively buffs his nails during meetings of the National Assembly, wishes that all of France had but one head so that he could cut it off easier, appears to be the Source of All Evil mixed with Satan Himself, and stores all important papers in his snuffbox.

The Least Sympathic Representation of the Duplays Award goes to Hilary Mantal for A Place of Greater Safety, where the Duplay girls try to seduce both Robespierre and Desmoulins, and where one of them lies that Danton has raped her. No one know why she does this. Duplay, pere, also appears to have wanted to collect Robespierre and seems to have the view of a breeder with expensive horse to show off when it comes to Robespierre.

The Strangest Representation of David Award goes to the 1980s film, Danton, where David doesn't allow his models to get dressed once he's done with them and redoes all of the work done by his apprentances out of an apparently supressed view of them all as inferior beings.

ETA: I can't believe I forgot Dickens! The Largest Number of Historical Inaccuracies Award (credit to sunliner) goes to Charles Dickens's A Tale of Two Cities. I think he was the one who started up the still pervasive rumor that the French governement was excuting about 50-70 people a day, just because they could. I'm sorry. Even the brilliance of Sydney Carton can't make up for all the crap he included.

Do you think the awards ought to go to other people? Have different awards yourself? Agree and want to rant about the wasted hours of your life reading crappy novels? Drop a comment!
[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com
This month's discussion point is the Revolution in Fiction.

Should be a fertile topic for discussion. ;) Talk about the portrayals of the Revolution and its central figures in books, movies, etc., the underlying reasons for them being portrayed as such, and what this does to the image of the Revolution in the popular imagination.

There's a nice post specifically on Saint-Just's portrayal in fiction here, also.
[identity profile] toi-marguerite.livejournal.com
In honor of our monthly topic of Saint- Just, I pose the question of how Saint Just should be portrayed in fiction, and what everyone thinks of Saint- Just's representations in fiction.

In the books/movies/animes I've seen:

Cut- just like fictional!Saint just likes heads to be in relationship to bodies. )

Any other books/movies/TV shows/animes? Does anyone have any other opinions on the fictional representations listed here?

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