http://lacommunarde.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] lacommunarde.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] revolution_fr2010-06-18 10:12 pm

Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen Question

As "on June 18, 1948, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights adopted its International Declaration of Human Rights," I figured today would be a good day to ask this. I hope it isn't too off topic...

Which Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen - the one from '89 or the one from '93 - has more similarities with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948?

I personally think that the one from '93 does, but I'm curious to know what other people think.

[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com 2010-07-01 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
There's also an almost identical comparison with Muslim fundamentalism to the one that Mantel makes
I would make an intelligent comment here, but I think it just fits much better to say that they both fail history/political theory/logic/common sense forever.

With his mixture of elitism and extremism he just seems to me a perfect trainer for future revisionists.
It is the same kind of sophistry the revisionists use. And with him, I think, you really can't win: either readers likes the style but eventually realize what nonsense the core of his argument is, or they reject the style and Robespierre along with it. Either way, they're thrown in the way of one style or another of revisionism.

the only other English translation of Robespierre's speeches is listed at Amazon at about the same price as a year's worth of French lessons
You don't mean Rudé's, do you?

Robespierre would probably not appreciate my response, which is FUCK YEAH! How many transnationals would that make squirm?
My sentiments exactly. It really is no wonder they'd rather us think of him as some mad, head-chopping dictator. (Or failing that, apparently, a Muslim fundamentalist.)

[identity profile] maelipstick.livejournal.com 2010-07-05 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't mean Rudé's, do you?

Did Rudé do a collection of speeches? I've got the great lives thingy with Robespierre looks at the world/The world looks at Robespierre which is all good, and has some amazing first hand accounts of Robespierre (I do like the generals shelling beans. Even if Barras' memoirs are not especially trustworthy, that's one of the things that should have been true, even if it wasn't.) Barras is so vile to Éléonore it's almost a compliment. But there are more actual translations of speeches in the Zizek thing, unless you are referring to something else.



[identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com 2010-07-05 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
No, that's the one I mean. There are few speeches in it, at least, if I remember correctly, but you're right, that wasn't really the main point of it. It's a pity. One thing I want to do before I die (and by the time I finish I may well be old enough to die of old age) is to translate all of Robespierre's oeuvre into English. But it won't help anyone who wants to read him now; by the time I'm done, anyone who starts learning French now will have learned enough ten times over to read them in the original.