[identity profile] burning-pile.livejournal.com
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Medium: General/real life/history
Subject: The French Revolution
Title: Heads Will Roll
Warnings: None, other than general silliness.
Notes: It was Robespierre's birthday yesterday and this happened. Er.


even in our darkest hour never thought that it would get this bad
[identity profile] an-ii.livejournal.com
A good overview and an interesting top 25 list.
Guess which site is No. 1 :-)
[identity profile] citoyenneclark.livejournal.com
So I just found out that I can do an an independent study on something French Rev. related for school next year. Instead of taking a history class, (ie: Anatomy of Revolutions) I'd work for a semester on some sort of large paper. Here are some of my ideas, what do you guys think? Any other ideas? I've got 2 options for a faculty advisors each one is interested in different aspects.

Option 1) Professor one is more interested in cultural trends, and stuff like symbolism in the french revolution, and social aspects. (eh.....not my favorite area) She's interested in me writing my paper on the historiography of the French Rev, or how the French Rev is viewed through popular culture, compared through history. (ie: How was it viewed during the 3rd Republic, vs. Vichy France?) However, she's easy to work with, downside, likes Simon Schama.

Option 2) Professor two is more interested in political, economic and military history. Ideas for paper are: The CPS and planned economies, or how it operated as the world's first war bureau. Or the French-east India trading scandal (helped the downfall of the dantonists/hebertists.) and trade during the era. These topics seem a little more academic than say writing about pop culture. However he's rather hard to work with, (Socialist, and not in a good way, more the totalitarian type, and runs things according to such)

So...what do you guys think? any other paper ideas?
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
Hello, long time no post (it's so slow these days on a non-Intel Mac!). Dunno if this news has travelled worldwide, but European airspace is currently unusable because of the dust cloud from an Icelandic volcano. If the eruption goes on much longer it's going to cause imported food shortages here and severe hardship for - for example - African farmers who depend on air freight to the European market. Hundreds of skeletons from a medieval mass grave were recently dug up near my friend's workplace in Spitalfields, London, dead from starvation after a volcano caused failed harvests, and I heard discussion of the 1783 eruption today, and found this in the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/15/iceland-volcano-weather-french-revolution
[identity profile] rohajavongareth.livejournal.com
I was wondering how widespread education was in the Revolutionary era and/or the decades immediately prior to that.

To be a little more precise, how many people were actually literate and how was that spread over the different social classes? How much farther than that did the average education go? For example, who would have been able to understand Latin? Would you need to attend a special institution to get that degree of education?

On a related note, how widespread was the knowledge of different political theories? Who would have been well versed in those?
[identity profile] sibylla-oo.livejournal.com
Harvard has just published a book called The Classical Tradition which includes a chapter by M.Sellers called "Classical Influences on the Law and Politics of the French Revolution". Masochists may download in from the SSRN. I will just add that, in my opinion, the abstract is a bunch of all sins a historian or anyone approaching history may commit. Moreover, these "sins" have very strong ideological implications. And I cannot but laugh at "transatlantic successes", I mean, Soviet propaganda wouldn't express it better XD 

The abstract provided by the author is extremely eloquent:
The French Revolution was the last great political event to take its inspiration, iconography and institutions primarily from classical antiquity. French revolutionaries depended heavily on Roman and Greek history for ideas, and for the courage to apply them. But even if their understanding of history had been accurate (it seldom was) French politicians could never settle which ancient model to follow. Classical antiquity provides innumerable conflicting moral and political examples and the French came close to having tried them all, running through the whole of Roman history in fifteen years. Eighteenth-century Frenchmen postured as Romans, Athenians and Spartans, without ever achieving liberty against arbitrary power, or any consistent rule of law. The French Revolution’s ostentatious classicism, comprehensive experimentation, and obvious failure, discredited Roman and Greek antiquity as practical models for political reform. Future revolutions would need new models, including the experience of France itself, and the transatlantic successes of the United States of America. The French Revolution discredited classical antiquity, by following it too capriciously, too blindly and to the bitter end.

 Keywords: classical tradition, French Revolution, French republic, Roman republic, Sparta, Athens, neo-classicism, constitutionalism, liberty, rule of law, separation of powers, Rousseau, Constant, Robespierre
(see: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1437165)

[identity profile] sibylla-oo.livejournal.com


The heritage is still alive. Articles on revolutionaries and other people somehow related to the French revolution, including Marat, Brissot, Hérault de Séchelles, Roux, Couthon, Saint-Just,  Hébert, Prieur, Choderlos de Laclos, Sade, Toussaint Louverture (the leader of Haitian revolution and anti-slavery movement, the so-called black jacobin), David, Olympe de Gouges and many others. 

Our fellow-revolutionary Estellacat has kindly volunteered to translate any of these articles to English for those who can't read French. Just express your wish in a comment and she will do it for us.

[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
I love this - it has to be the most ludicrous attempt to shoehorn last week's Harry Potter premiere into every damn news* article they could think of. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5775077/Thousands-beheaded-in-French-Revolution-named-online.html

(*or rather, PR generated press-release about a website launch, basically a free advert, but the sort of thing that passes for 'news' nowadays, because journalists are too lazy to look for the real stuff. And it isn't even 'new' - the lists were reprinted in the French press in 1989 (happy anniversary!) and have been an online phenomenon in France for a couple of years now).
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
This is not the place for a rant on British politics, the once-leftwing Guardian's mutual masturbation fest with the Tory leader, or the way the 'expenses row' is a plot cooked up by the Barclay Brothers and their anti-EU Conservative friends (not least because any mention of the Barclay brothers - reclusive small-scale Rupert Murdochs - gets blogs closed down in this free country of ours). However, one result of this highly-spun 'scandal' and the genuine but confused public anger it has created is that not a day has passed in the last three weeks without some political commentator or TV presenter using the word 'guillotine', '1789', 'revolution' etc etc. and, begorrah, yes, even Marat and Robespierre (the only revolutionaries anyone here has ever heard of) get the odd namecheck. I don't read newspapers anymore (they're full of crap), so I dunno what the other cartoonists have being doing, but Martin Rowson - generally, one of the good guys - regularly 'quotes' 18thc cartoons, (usually Hogarth) and today did this one.
Incidentally, the oft-quoted legend about the 1794 (?) original http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/frenchrevolution89/robespierre3.JPG is that the cartoonist was guillotined for daring to criticise Robespierre. Like so much else, this appears to be bollocks - the cartoon is probably post-Thermidor, and curator Claudette Hould says there's no record of anyone being killed for it (though if anyone knows any more about it, please post!).

Vous and Tu

May. 9th, 2009 03:27 pm
[identity profile] wolfshadow713.livejournal.com
I was reading through some transcripts of the trials of the Revolutionary Tribunal and it seems that the formal "vous" is used here even after "tu" became the standard form of address. Thoughts?
[identity profile] amie-de-rimbaud.livejournal.com
I've been wondering:  what happened to all those bodies sans têtes? I assume--I'm sure I've read--about mass graves, but does anyone know where they are exactly? Down in the catacombs of Paris (which I've still not visited, sadly) would be my guess, but I didn't know for sure. I have a feeling this is common knowledge, so I apologize for asking a possibly silly question.

Also, was anything special done with the bodies of remarkable victims--Louis, or the Girondins--to ensure that followers didn't try to memorialize them in any way, or--creepiness alert--steal body parts to save as relics? Did they drive a stake through Maxime's heart to make sure he wouldn't rise from the dead? (I'm kidding) But I'd love to hear any fantastic stories of this nature.
[identity profile] cobweb-lace.livejournal.com
I found this in a local Australian newspaper and thought it might be of interest to the community. Original link is here.

March 31, 2009

PARIS - Archaeologists in northern France have stumbled upon two mass graves dating back to the years of civil strife unleashed after the French Revolution of 1789, officials say.

Located in a park in the city of Le Mans, the graves contain the bodies of about 30 people, including several women, two male teenagers and a child, the INRA archaeology institute said on Monday.

All were identified as victims of a massacre on December 12 and 13, 1793, as republican forces repelled royalist Catholic rebels from the city of Le Mans, during the first War of the Vendee.

The first grave contained nine or 10 bodies, some still wearing shirt buttons and boot buckles, or carrying knives, while the second, sealed shut with a thick layer of lime, contained about 20 bodies.

All bore the signs of an extremely violent attack, with broken leg, jaw and shoulder bones, according to INRA.

Between 1793 and 1796, the fervently Catholic Vendee region on France's Atlantic coast was rocked by a drawn-out insurrection aimed at reversing the French Revolution.

At the end of the first uprising, Catholic forces were crushed and repelled from Le Mans on December 12, 1793, and republican forces unleashed bloody reprisals on prisoners and rebels who were left behind.

The graves were discovered during a dig to make way for a new cultural centre.

[identity profile] nirejseki.livejournal.com
I'm currently attempting to do a research project on the French Revolution, specifically on nationalism/patriotism; and even more specifically on the various ways the French Revolutionaries dictated how their nation should go. (Clothing strictures, the new calender, who does/does not belong in a nation)

I'm particularly looking for things they said in the various legislatures (or at least during the time of the legislatures!)

My teacher has assigned us to finish our bibliography and research over spring break, so I was hoping you guys here could help direct me to some good sources to use! Secondary, primary, books, articles - anything's good! I figure if anyone knows something on this subject it's you.

Thanks a lot!

(I will happy repay anyone who helps with pictures of whatever they like! Please, please help! *desperate*)
[identity profile] wolfshadow713.livejournal.com
I have a dilemma. For my French class, I am giving a presentation on the French Revolution. The focus of the class is the history of Paris, so I guess I need only focus on the parts of the Revolution pertaining to Paris but, even so, that's a lot of material. The presentation isn't supposed to be all that long, so I can't go hugely in-depth, but I've generally been dissatisfied with brief overviews of the Revolution becuase it seems they tend to play into popular misconceptions (misconceptions that can to favor apologists from either end of the spectrum) because they don't have time to explain the nuances of the situation. So, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the most important events/details to include to provide a balanced perspective on the Revolution.

Though, I'm tempted to assume that most students in an intermediate/advanced level college French class should have over the years absorbed enough about the Revolution to know the basics and then just talk about the arguments surrounding Paris' influence on the Revolution...
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
I finally finished a third album of photos related to the French Revolution. Once again sharing them with the only people I know who appreciate them. ;-)

[identity profile] everworld2662.livejournal.com
Hey all! I know I can't exactly be called an 'active' member of this comm (in my defence, this is genuinely because I am shocked and horrified by my total lack of knowledge in comparison to most of you, and am seeking to rectify this before I come here and make a fool out of myself), but I'm spending a week in Paris right now and I was wondering if any of you could point me in the general direction of Revolution Must Sees in the area (of which I imagine there would be no little quantity!) I'm here with my father, and he very obligingly took me on a rather long trek down Rue St-Honoré today so I could find the building where Robespierre spent the last 3 years of his life. Seeing the little plaque with his name on it made me ridiculously happy; especially as yesterday we had gone around looking at all the Rimbaud (Arthur) sites we could think of without finding a single mention of him.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, I would be so grateful if you could mention any Revolutionary things to be seen in Paris. I've seen a little bit, but I'm sure I've barely scratched the surface. I will of course take a ton of photos of anything remotely relevant and probably post them here, if that isn't against the rules, or some such. Thank you all in advance. I love this comm, and even though I never post and never comment, I come lurk a lot, and your shared enthusiasm for this wonderful period in history makes me feel in somewhat less lonely in my obsession. So thanks again. ♥
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
The second album was close to being done when I posted the first. It'll take me more time to fill up the (inevitable) third album, but in the meantime enjoy these photos featuring Paris, Saint-Denis, Blérancourt, and Bourg-la-Reine!

French Revolution Photos
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
I'm not sure whether or not anyone is interested in this, but I thought I'd post it just in case. I am currently living in Paris and in my free time, here and there, I go to assorted revolutionary sites and take photos. This includes big stuff like the Conciergerie and little stuff like graves and homes of less than famous people. I've been putting it together into albums, which I figured I'd share with anyone who was interested here. This is the first album, a second one is well underway, but I figure I'd post it when it was full.

French Revolutionary Photos
[identity profile] chip-squidley.livejournal.com
I also find myself thinking about the Revolutionary concept of the Maximum and if it would have any use in today's world. History seems to have proven that general limits on wages and prices don't work...and I certainly wouldn't advocate a maximum possible wage for the "average citizen"

But I can't help but wonder if there would be some sense in an internationally agreed Maximum for such people as CEO's or professional athletes. What if a CEO could "only" earn a maximum of 5 million per year? What if a baseball player could "only" earn a million per year? Would the world be worse off? I think we would still be able to fill the positions!
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
I thought I would draw upon our combined knowledge of the French Revolution to answer a question I can't quite figure out.  How many people died during the Terror?  Or perhaps that's too vague a question.  I've seen multiple numbers cited on this.  There is the constant 40,000 one, which is usually cited by sensationalist accounts of the Revolution.  I looked through some book that I unfortunately can't recall the name of that was concerned with adding up how many people were executed during the Terror and I remember the author got a number in the 16,000s.  I've seen 20,000-25,000 sometimes too.  Sources seem to vary wildly.


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