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This month's discussion point is Maximilien Robespierre.

Because it's his birthday in a few days. Discuss any and all aspects of his life, his work, his views, his reputation, and anything else you think of!

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acolnahuacatl.livejournal.com

ITT: MAXIME AND MARAT. DISCUSS.

.... I'm actually quite curious. Broad topic is broad and can be interpreted anyway you like /is opening a Pandora's box ffffff--

From:

estellacat.livejournal.com

It's a rather complicated topic, but to cut a very long story short (which I unfortunately have to, for the moment), I think it would be most accurate to say they had a grudging respect for one another.

From:

acolnahuacatl.livejournal.com

From:

maelicia.livejournal.com

There is a hilarious Thermidorian pamphlet called Dialogue entre Marat et Robespierre which is set in ~*~The Afterlife~*~

Robespierre is on his way to Hell, but he has to pass through the Elysean Fields, which I assume is the geography of ~*~The Afterlife~*~ described by Dante, or the Ancients, but that depresses me too much in general to google it to check. So. On his way, Robesy meets the one person he doesn't want to see: Marat, who obviously is in ~*~The Elysean Fields~*~ because he was nice.

In fact, that Dialogue is a bullshitting infopub.

The ~*~Heroic And Official Point~*~ of putting Marat in this, and Camille in the sequel (who's in Hell, but doesn't suffer, "for he committed no crime", and will leave for the Elysean Fields soon), and a reference to Philippeaux (who's with Marat) is to show how Good Journalists Go To ~~Heaven~~ The Elysean Fields.

In fact, the loser(s) who write that dialogue series (there are four, the last three are between Robespierre, Danton and Desmoulins) is

1) to put himself under Marat's aura, because his sainthood is slowly evolving from Patron des Sans-Culottes to Thermidorian Idol Of The Freedom Of Press/Speech Against Evil Robespierre, thanks to Collot d'Herbois who rambles on 9 thermidor that "Robespierre never even liked Marat ~~and Chalier~~, wah!", and Fréron, The Unholy Bastard In Charge of The Jeunesse Dorée, decided to praise Marat ~~for teh lulz~~ to do exactly what Hébert had tried to do, but here Fréron has the higher ground, being in power (unlike Hébert, who was outside of it): to give fake pseudo popular legitimacy to the new Thermidorian Regime.

2) to put into Marat's, but especially Desmoulins', and even Robespierre's mouths the words, ideas and principles copy/pasted from the "social, economical and political program of the Journal Populaire" (oh surprise: the first pamphlet comes out of the Printers... of the Journal Populaire) that "the Convention should really adopt and then All The Problems Would Be Solved And Peace And Freedom Would Be Brought Back To ~~The Galaxy~~ France". It's even more funnier in the three sequels, because Robespierre, who's in a cage in hell as is part of "his eternal, eternal, ETERNAL punishment", and Danton and Desmoulins who visit for teh lulz, all discuss the Great Brilliant Ideas of the Journal Populaire. Next week: Robespierre, Danton and Desmoulins cook you a tête de veau, following the exquisite receipe from ~*~LE JOURNAL POPULAIRE~*~. Stay tuned. Sponsored by the Luxurious Thermidorian Society: "We like our rich to be rich, our bourgeois kids to dance in gorny balls, and our poor to starve in the cold streets of Winter! VOTE THE THERMIDORIANS. Sowing The Seeds Of A Revolt We just Crave To Massively Crush - With The Army!"

So.

According to one of the texts I have *tries to look into one of the many piles of documents around; gives up*, the whole antagonism between Marat and Robespierre was especially (and effectively) created and instrumentalized by Fréron; then the 19th century historians jumped on it. Unlike the antagonism with Danton and Desmoulins though, it died in the early 20th century, when Daniel Guérin and the far left decided that "Marat wasn't good enough either as a popular leader" (i.e. their inspiration).

P.S. Yes, someday I intend to be a prof, and to teach the French Revolution. It will be magical. I intend to add to my répertoire jumping on the first desks. That is, if I'm not wearing a skirt.

P.P.S. I haven't slept for 23 hours. Does it show? ~~And I'm not even that much on coffee. I just drank two, and can't anymore; it's 35 celius, I'm too sweaty, I'm melting.~~

Edit: Some words lacked. O.o

Edited Date: 2010-05-24 06:19 pm (UTC)

From:

acolnahuacatl.livejournal.com

Robespierre is on his way to Hell

On his way, Robesy meets the one person he doesn't want to see: Marat, who obviously is in ~*~The Elysean Fields~*~ because he was nice.

his sainthood is slowly evolving from Patron des Sans-Culottes to Thermidorian Idol Of The Freedom Of Press/Speech Against Evil Robespierre

put into Marat's, but especially Desmoulins', and even Robespierre's mouths the words, ideas and principles copy/pasted from the "social, economical and political program of the Journal Populaire" (oh surprise: the first pamphlet comes out of the Printers... of the Journal Populaire) that "the Convention should really adopt and then All The Problems Would Be Solved And Peace And Freedom Would Be Brought Back To ~~The Galaxy~~ France"

"Marat wasn't good enough either as a popular leader"

Magic everywhere up in this bitch.

Your lack of sleep is showing bb. And trust me, it's fucking boiling here in Chicago. I would have loved to pull a Marat and said "Fuck this shit. It's too hot to go to school."