[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] revolution_fr
OH NO! She's gonna talk about it..Yes..that horrible black day Thermidor..I'm a bit confused on it. Even in books..I'm like WTF?
 okay, here's what i do know.

Maxime and Co get arrested and sent to different prisons. They get released and all sort of beautiful things..xD So at the end, they're at City Hall at night..and..

that's where i get stumped.

I know Maxime attempted suicide and the others tried the same..well it seems like they were xD  I know Hanriot was outside with his soldiers, but they got lazy and tired, and went home. So again. I know Maxime was like hesisting to do anything..I know the robespierrist Mayor Les or whatever his name (too lazy to look it up -_-) And it may or may not rained.

Was Maxime alone with his associates? Was he with the commune? I'm so confused. I know the mess after. But why did he attempt to kill himself? That puzzled me. and why didn't they take any definitive action for their lives? (i'd do anything to save my life..clawing at people xD) Was it a lost cause?

Why didn't he try harder to save himself?

I'm prolly dumb xD and special..but i've always wondered it.  And i guess..since they lost the Commune.(as it gave up on them..) they were sitting ducks weren't they?

Anything helps xD Any corrections.xD  Any explantations for this?
 

Date: 2009-06-30 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
Maximilien Robespierre, Session of 8 thermidor Year II (26 July 1794):

"Tous les amis des principes sont sans influence ; mais ce n'est pas assez pour eux d'avoir éloigné par le désespoir du bien un surveillant incommode ; son existence seule est pour eux un objet d'épouvante, et ils avaient médité dans les ténèbres, à l'insu de leurs collègues, le projet de lui arracher le droit de défendre le peuple avec la vie. Oh ! Je la leur abandonnerai sans regret ! J'ai l'expérience du passé, et je vois l'avenir. Quel ami de la patrie peut vouloir survivre au moment où il n'est plus permis de la servir et de défendre l'innocence opprimée ? Pourquoi demeurer dans un ordre de choses où l'intrigue triomphe éternellement de la vérité, où la justice est un mensonge, où les plus viles passions, où les craintes les plus ridicules occupent dans les coeurs la place des intérêts sacrés de l'humanité ? Comment supporter le supplice de voir cette horrible succession de traîtres plus ou moins habiles à cacher leur âme hideuse sous le voile de la vertu, et même de l'amitié, mais qui tous laisseront à la postérité l'embarras de décider lequel des ennemis de mons pays fut le plus lâche et le plus atroce ? En voyant la multitude des vices que le torrent de la révolution a roulés pêle-mêle avec les vertus civiques, j'ai craint quelquefois, je l'avoue, d'être souillé aux yeux de la postérité par le voisinage impur des hommes pervers qui s'introduisaient parmi les sincères amis de l'humanité, et je m'applaudis de voir la fureur des Verrès et des Catilina de mon pays tracer une ligne profonde de démarcation entre eux et tous les gens de bien. J'ai vu dans l'histoire tous les défenseurs de la liberté attaqués par la calomnie ; mais leurs oppresseurs sont morts aussi ! Les bons et les méchants disparaissent de la terre, mais à des conditions différentes. Français, ne souffrez pas que vos ennemis osent abaisser vos âmes par leur désolante doctrine. Non, Chaumette, non, Fouché, la mort n'est pas un sommeil éternel. Citoyens, effacez des tombeaux cette maxime impie gravée par des mains sacrilèges qui jette un crêpe funètre sur la nature, qui décourage l'innocence opprimée, et qui insulte la mort. Gravez-y plutôt celle-ci : la mort est le commencement de l'immortalité."

"All friends of principles are without influence; but it isn't enough for them to have brought away, through despair about the good, an incoveniant guard; his existence alone is for them an object of fright, and they meditated in darkness, apart from their colleagues, the project to take away from him the right to stand up for the people with [his] life. Oh! I will abandon mine to them with no regret! I have the experience of the past, and I see the future. What friend of the patrie would desire to survive the moment when it is no longer allowed to serve it and to stand up for the oppressed innocence? Why continuing in an order of things where intrigue eternally triumphs over truth, where justice is a lie, where the vilest passions, where the most ridiculous fears, occupy in everyone's hearts the place that should belong to the sacred interests of humanity? How to bear the torment of witnessing this horrible succession of traitors, more or less skilful in hiding their hideous soul under the veil of virtue and even of friendship, but who will all pass on to posterity the trouble to decide which of the enemies of my country was the most coward and the most atrocious? As I saw the multitude of vices that the torrent of the revolution has brought with the civic virtues, I feared sometimes, I admit it, to be defiled in the eyes of posterity by such an impure neighbourhood of perverted men who introduced themselves among the sincere friends of humanity, and I applaud myself to be able to see the furor of the Verres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verres) and of the Catilinas of my country who traced a deep mark of demarcation between these and all the good ones.

suicide etc

Date: 2009-06-30 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There's no proof, or otherwise, that Robespierre did try to kill himself. One of the soldiers who captured him later claimed responsibility for the shot that injured him.

The people with Robespierre at City Hall were a mixture of his supporters from various places, mostly Robespierrists from the Commune and the sections.

- FP
- http://www.symbolicforest.com

Date: 2009-06-30 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-muse-venale6.livejournal.com
That's true, there isn't any proof that could affirm that Maxime tried to do suicide. It's a possibility, but there is that soldier with his claim... We can only guess.

Date: 2009-07-01 07:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neuropathology.livejournal.com
If I understand correctly (and I feel like I do), forensic science COULD be employed to clear up at least some of the confusion about what took place on the ninth of Thermidor. It just hasn't been.

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