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Presumably, were Obama really a Jacobin, he would be sending some representatives on mission to the, er, department of California to enforce some progressive taxation. Am I right?

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I have no idea if Obama is or not and I live in the US. Yeah..i've not been keeping up with anything. Sleeping in has it's disadvantages..

though i'm not sure if i would call Obama a latter-day Camille. Because Obama is a good speaker(i've listened to him..)and Camille wasn't a good one..his stutter coming to mind. But who knows?

But there are more things to this..but i'm too lazy xD

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misatheredpanda.livejournal.com

OH, lol. Lololol.
Personally, I hope not, because as much as I love Camille, I would not want to live in a country run by him. He, er, didn't always seem to think things through very well.

And whaaat? I think part of Camille's oratorical genius had to do with the fact that it very rarely occurred. And hey, it's debated whether or not he was handsome. :p

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I second that notion. Though, of course, I don't see any similarity between them.

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misatheredpanda.livejournal.com

Um.. they both have lovely families? No, seriously, I think that person just drew the comparison out of a hat.

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I hadn't thought of that. But they do, it's true. Whoever wrote that article is on some serious bad!crack, though.

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i agree; There's nothing much about them..that i can see..really. xD

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They. Um. They're both...men...?

~~I almost typed 'They're both half black.' Oops. Not unless there's something Camille was hiding all those years.~~

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Er, yes, I suppose that will do.

~~No, though Obama does have that in common with General Dumas. Clearly, you just got your Revolutionary personnages confused. XD;~~

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at least i hope they were men..never could tell about St.Just at times..hmm

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A couple of years ago, these same idiots were calling Bush Neocons 'Neojacobins'. Still, it's good to see the word 'Jacobin' in use, even if it is by maniacs...I suppose they think communism is a busted flush so have to dig around for an older term of abuse for the left (and I don't think Obama is very 'left', sadly). Last week the Guardian newspaper were calling Sarkozy 'Robespierre' for his thinly veiled (pardon the bad pun) response attack on Obama's thinkly veiled attack on French 'laicité', which presumably makes Obama Ancien Regime.

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Well, sadly, Sarkoléon is further left on many issues than Obama. (Which speaks to how right-skewed US politics is, if nothing else.)

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A couple of years ago, these same idiots were calling Bush Neocons 'Neojacobins'.
Same thing I was thinking actually. It must be fashionable to call anybody leading "Jacobins" for some reason. After all, a few weeks ago, I read someone very strange calling our very conservative "liberal" party leading Québec "communist". Some people have their categories all wrong.

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I saw both of those! And there was recently an article in a German paper calling Ahmadinejad an 'Iranian Robespierre' or something to that effect, which I'm not sure how they figure.

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This whole trend of comparing Robespierre to all reactionaries and tyrants around the world and of every era is really growing more than just annoying. Next we're going to have a remake of Danton with an Iranian Wajda -- Mousavi-Danton? I shouldn't give them the idea, now that I think of it. >__> *shudders*

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I actually think that Rafsanjani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_Hashemi_Rafsanjani") is more like their Danton. D: Consider the following quotes I've found about him while researching Iran-related things:

The butt of many popular jokes about his wealth (Which, might I add, was earned quite suspiciously...), his survival instincts and his vulgarity, Rafsanjani earned yet another nickname after his election failure, becoming known as “Aghassi” (literally meaning Mr. Thirtieth) inside Iran.

Mr. Rafsanjani was an agile politician who spoke like the people, not like the religious aristocracy, and knew how to cajole, amuse, lecture, threaten and sway.

The treacherous crosscurrents inside the regime are fed by the pressure from the street but date back long before many of today's protesters were born. An old photograph of Khamenei as a young seminarian shows a beardless youth in a turban who already wears thick glasses; behind them, the expression in his eyes is of a boy looking inward, lost in thought. A photograph of his fellow seminarian Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani from that same period in the 1950s suggests, beneath the white turban, a Type A personality who might, in an American context, be running for class president.

"Can anyone tell me where it says in the Holy Koran that women have to make themselves look ugly?" That's former Iranian president Ali Akbar Rafsanjani, the man the media call the best hope for challenging Khameinei's hold on power, speaking in the mid-1980s, in reference to hard-right female journalists decked out in black.

Conclusion: Danton is alive and living in Iran.

...And then, just for fun, I did a search for 'Rafsanjani Danton,' and apparently I'm not the first person to think this (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/16/743347/-Iran-Analysis:-Repost-For-a-Different-Crowd):

Here's a historical reference for these two men: think of Khamenei as Robespierre and Rafsanjani as Danton from the French Revolution. Khamenei is more of an ideologue and a purist who does not hesitate to exercise brutal authority, while Rafsanjani is an indulgent who has enriched himself and his family through his access to power. Unlike the French Revolution, this is 30 years later, and Rafsanjani has managed to keep his head, so far.

D:

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So basically Rafsanjani just needs to get himself martyred and he'll be lionized for centuries to come as a GRAND HERO OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND MANLY.

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they need to stop doing that..>.> it's just making it all worse for Robespierre..and us..

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...Foremost among these was Louis Phillipe II, the fabulously wealthy and infamously degenerate Duc d’Orleans, who hated King Louis XVI (his cousin) and hated even more Queen consort Marie Antoinette (for rebuffing his sexual advances and causing his banishment from court). Joining him were other titled men of considerable pelf (and, usually, libertine habits), to wit: the Duc de Biron, the Marquis de Sillery, the Vicomte de Noailles, the Baron “Anacharsis” de Cloots, the Comte de Mirabeau, the Marquis de St. Huruge, the Vicomte de Segur, and the infamously perverse Marquis de Sade (from whom we derive the adjective “sadistic”)...

And THAT, is where I stopped reading. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Or took a very long pause before continuing. -_-

I would note that I'm personally tired of people not knowing how to write "Saint-Just". Because of them, I miswrote his name in that gorgeous icon I have, and I obviously no longer have the base to correct it. :(

Anyway, vain self-interests aside: this thing is crap. Must it really be discussed? I think it sounds more insane than the usual crap I would discuss: like, say, Artarit on Robespierre's psychosexual freudian transexual gender desires-to-menstruate issues, etc. But this, it really goes beyond all debatable logic. At this point, I think committing the author would be the best solution.

And bonus points to this part: Thus were the orgies of bloodletting accompanied by appeals to the Jacobins’ new environmental theology: “Perish forever the memory of the priests! Perish forever Christian superstition! Long live the sublime religion of Nature!” ...Oh dear.

And, um, yeah, I will abstrain from commenting on Desmoulins the "handsome young lawyer with oratorical skills".

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misatheredpanda.livejournal.com

Re: name, if it helps, from what I've seen his own signature was 'St Just'? - I just assume the variants were more interchangeable at the time.

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exactly, he himself signed St Just. It seems to me that the - version is rather a correct writing according to today's French standards, not the only correct writing of that period.

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Anyway, vain self-interests aside: this thing is crap. Must it really be discussed?

I needed to share the trauma/hilarity with others. D: It was the only way to resist slamming my head against the computer desk until comatose.

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Oh, yes, you're right: you're entirely entitled to share that drama/trauma/horror/hilarity massively. D: I should post more nonsense on this comm. XD;

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