[identity profile] missweirdness.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] revolution_fr
Yeah, i guess what i found on youtube?

That dreadful Terror! Robespierre and the french revolution..

here's the link -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcZxrb_L0_M

part 1 of 9, hahahah

enjoy =O
 

 and apparently the emo GUY is ST. JUST! GASP!

 
I'm watching now..=( 

now discuss!
 

 

Date: 2009-07-13 05:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
A funny point in the midst of a painful experience: it is really an interesting sign of intercultural misunderstanding, rather typical for the last couple of decades of depicting the revolutionnaries, to interpret the virtue and 'puritanism' as negative attitude towards alcohol and sex. These are the obsessions of other parts of the world and other periods, I am afraid. Virtue meant a very different, more political and social-relational thing in the French Enlightenment than a condamnation of alcohol and aVictorian spinster's idea of decency :-) In times when cultural history is a booming field, such deep misunderstanding is hardly acceptable in a serious docudment of a prestigious public TV channel.S.

Date: 2009-07-13 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Thank you for mentioning that. This is one of the things that bothers me the most about treatments of the Revolution in the English speaking world, and almost all of them are guilty of it.

Date: 2009-07-13 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Wait, is there really a condemnation of alcohol in there? Because not only would it never occur to any of the Revolutionaries to propose that (Robespierre drank his wine with water, but how the hell could anyone think that was anything other than a personal preference when none of his friends or supporters did likewise?), it would be pretty near impossible for anyone to propose it in the 18th century, considering the general quality of the drinking water.

Date: 2009-07-13 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I don't know whether I have got it right, or it was a paranoic interpretation of mine, but when they introduce Saint-Just as puritan he is talking about prohibiting liquor in the Convention. Maybe it is supposed to be a sign of SJ's sense of humour, I am not sure.

Date: 2009-07-13 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
But they keep on drinking wine in all these scenes? Or maybe it's really because then Saint-Just proposed they should be drinking blood instead.

Date: 2009-07-13 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In combination with a time-travelling machine that would be a great idea. He could travel to the present, get Schama and apply revolutionary justice on him so the evil CPS can have a good bloody toast to Virtue ;-)

Date: 2009-07-13 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
It's always been my dream...!

Date: 2009-07-13 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
Hm, I don't know. I've certainly never heard that before, but I do know people would eat and drink in the Convention. Perhaps someone suggested that that wasn't particularly dignified. I can't imagine that it had anything to do with alcohol per se (historically speaking; the documentary could be saying who knows what kind of nonsense).

Date: 2009-07-13 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maelicia.livejournal.com
All I read once was a random education project to ban wine (and coffee, and sugar) for children. I think I also read that the type of regime Maxime had of drinking wine mixed with water was what they gave children, but I'm not sure.

Date: 2009-07-13 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I have no idea on the revolutionary part of the info, but I do know something on the watered wine use in children's -and adults' - diet in Early Modern Europe. It was actually a method used to make water healthier, to "kill the diseases" with the alcohol :-O

Date: 2009-07-13 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estellacat.livejournal.com
That would make a lot more sense. And they did typically give children watered wine, the way some people now give children milk with a bit of coffee in it...

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