[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
I wanted to share this and I felt this community would really be the only ones to fully appreciate it. Like I've said, I'm living in Paris now, which gives me the opportunity to do a lot of amazing French Revolution stuff. Yesterday I read through the original papers of Camille and Lucile. It was all sorts of stuff, from Camille's diploma from Louis-le-Grand, his letters to his father, the original handwritten copy of the 7th Vieux Cordelier, his final letters to Lucile, to Lucile's journal, Fréron's letters to her, her letters to her mother, and her final farewell notes to her mother written on little scraps of paper. Robespierre's correction letter for Revs de France et Brabant from 1790 or 91 was there, along with Camille's response written at the bottom. I stared at it for a long time because there was an ink smudge with a fingerprint at the top by the salutation and I was like "Whoa, it's Robespierre's fingerprint." Saint-Just's fanboy letter was there. Camille's last letter to Lucile is there and is almost illegibly smudged with tear stains. It was interesting to see that there is a whole bunch of his correspondence that has been omitted even from Matton's huge "Complete Works." I found a complete letter from his father I'd never seen before and lots of their correspondence concerning personal things has been omitted in publication. Camille did actually spend a lot more time writing about his brothers, he seems to have been closer to them than biographies usually let on. That said, there was one fabulous moment when he had to ask his father what his brother's name was so he could look him up in the army. He didn't know the full five-name name, so his dad had to tell him ;-). There was also a letter from Annette Duplessis that I didn't know existed in which she's begging Robespierre for help to save Lucile. Her famous "kill us all you monster" letter was not actually there, so I assume it's kept with Robespierre's papers.

The other thing that amazed me is how incredibly illegible all of these people's handwriting was. Jesus Christ. I'm half convinced that Matton, or whoever did the first official compilation and publication of Camille's work, just made shit up when he couldn't read the writing and other historians just worked off his printed copies because the originals are nuts. I looked and looked and I certainly couldn't find "Je vais mourir" in Camille's last line in the final letter to Lucile. It's probably there, but I can't get over how awful his handwriting was. ;-) Robespierre stands out as having amazingly legible writing. Let's not even talk about Lucile...

Anyway, I just had to gush about that. It was absolutely amazing.
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
The last paragraph of this might be of interest - http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/rainsborough.htm - did Camille Desmoulins know green ribbons had a historical socialist significance beyond general springy 'hope', I wonder...?

Oh, and an added thing - I've just googled 'green Rainsborough' and it brought up this: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-176509817.html - annoyingly, it's one of those restricted articles but I'm guessing it may go on to explain Carlyle's decision to call Robespierre the "Sea-green Incorruptible" - maybe linking the Levellers' Seagreen to de Stael's green vein description for added 'leftiness' (Carlyle had also written a history of Cromwell) - well, if that's the case it clears that mystery up! In Britain, at least, Carlyle's 'Sea-green Incorruptible' name has really stuck, though if crossbreeds Robespierre with the Levellers I'm a happy bunny, and yar boo sucks to Mr. Carlyle.

Btw, as far as I can gather, the Leveller ribbons were from the torn up green silk from Rainsborough's regiment's banner, with other supporters wearing rosemary sprigs ('that's for remembrance').
[identity profile] nirejseki.livejournal.com
So recently I got a bit worried that I was losing my ability to draw in a realistic style (if you've seen my earlier post, you've seen my chibis), so I decided to try it again.

Of course, this is probably the first time I've sat down and tried a full-scale realistic drawing/painting for two, maybe three years (I got lazy...), so it's not that good, the expressions are a little odd, and they don't look quite like the people they're supposed to be.

But I figured I'd post them here and see what people think anyway. ^^

Beware! Large pictures!

Camille Desmoulins )


Saint-Just )

Also, if anyone's bored, on Halloween my friend and I went as revolutionaries. I only have the pics of Saint-Just and Robespierre, not Camille, but it's still amusing. Saint-Just has been captured doing the time warp - but hey, it's not the worst thing that's happened to his reputation.

Link to my journal; moderately big images!
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
I've got a few questions about the use of names and modes of address. Did people, in 18thc France, use their forenames socially (OK, there's Camille Desmoulins - but then he was 'special'- and even then, I've seen documents that hyphenate his name, maybe the typesetter thinking it was part of his surname)?

For example, in modern fiction and films, Robespierre is often called "Max' or 'Maxime' with friends, but I can't remember any bit of contemporary writing/memoir I've seen where he's called anything other than Robespierre, though I dimly remember a possibly facetious "Maximilien' I came across flipping through 'Revolutions de Paris'. So, is there any reference to him being called by or using his forename? (Maybe by his brother or sister? Camille in a letter?) There are also anecdotes that say he preferred 'Monsieur' and 'vous' to 'Citizen' and 'tu', but I don't know how reliable these are (one is from Barras' memoirs so presumably hostile): are there letters etc that back this story up?

Were forenames really only for use by parents to children and wives to husbands, and/or to please relatives at baptism, and/or to differentiate people from their relatives on documents? In Britain, at least, men only used surnames to each other in formal situations until recently: now if a newsreader were to say 'Brown' rather than 'Gordon Brown', it would seem hostile somehow, but in 1980 it would have been the other way around (and I suspect there are narky old retired colonels who think this is a dreadful bit of lefty hippy informality and a sign that society has gone to the dogs!) . Anyway, I was wondering...

Poor Bitos

Nov. 16th, 2008 06:23 pm
[identity profile] pedrolino.livejournal.com
Has anyone read Poor Bitos by Jean Anouilh? It's a really interesting play (or at least I thought so) about a revolution-themed costume party, but which ends up going back in time to show several scenes from the months leading up to Thermidor as well. While Robespierre certainly starts off as being villainized, I found it much more ambiguous by the end, especially considering that pretty much everyone else comes off looking like a complete jerk at the end, as well.

Anouilh deals somewhat loosely with the historical specifics-- implications that Robespierre was in love with Lucile Duplessis, etc-- but I still think it's a really interesting piece. Has anyone else read it, and what did you think?
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
Does anyone know an exact source for the quote 'you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs', which is often used with reference to (revolutionary) violence and variously attributed to Stalin, Lenin, Napoleon, and Robespierre (Google tells me vaguely, 1790,'on ne saurait faire une omelette sans casser des oeufs') - is there an exact source (speech, letter, pamphlet?). I appreciate it would probably be a popular saying prior to that anyway, but...

The other quote source I'm wondering about is Saint-Just's alleged response to Camille Desmoulins' written remarks about him carrying his head like the holy sacrament: "I'll make him carry his like Saint Denis" - was that a bit of contemporary gossip, or the invention of Buchner in his play 'Danton's Death'?
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
I heard a reference to the Committee of Public Safety's drinks bill on a radio programme a couple of years ago, but I've never come across a written reference to it. Does such a thing exist, or was it a post-Thermidor 'hey, don't blame us, we were drunk all the time' excuse? I've also heard similar about the Tribunal, but again haven't found a reliable, non-anecdotal, non-hostile source.
I'm also aware that the average alcohol intake was universally far higher from the dawn of time until the 19thc - it was safer than water!
On a related issue, does anyone know if the opiate laudanum was used/abused in France as much as it was in Britain at the time? I don't know how greatly the trade links would have made a difference here. I can't remember ever having come across a reference in anything on the Revolution - the Romantic poets in Britain in the 1790's were living on the stuff - but I did wonder if that, rather than the usually assumed bisexuality, may have been Camille Desmoulins' 'vice'?
[identity profile] misatheredpanda.livejournal.com
Hello. Some little things - which I suppose are easier to take for granted...

First: I somehow feel guilty asking this, since it's not very useful either way (yes, let me deprecate myself a moment more) - else I might have brought it up earlier as it's been bothering me vaguely for years - but since I'd like to finally strike it off my 'wtf' list, I'm just going to put it out there: I recall reading on this site (incidentally, is it gone?) that Desmoulins was a "rumored" bisexual. Since then I have found this addressed in all of one place: Mantel's novel. Somehow, a work of fiction and the internet just don't do it for me, so I was wondering if anyone here knows of any reference to Camille's sexuality coming from a legit source? Or anything that isn't fictional outright, at least? Or is it just something the author of that site might have absorbed from fiction? Or both?!

Second: Okay, maybe this is just silly. But can anyone tell me more about the lock of Robespierre's hair at the Musée Carnavalet? ...and why it's white?

By the way, I'd like to suggest that since this community has separate tags under "desmoulins" and "camille desmoulins" that they be merged together. (Of course I am stupid about such things.)
[identity profile] victoriavandal.livejournal.com
Are there any not-insane books, chapters etc (I've seen vague references to articles in 'Annales Historiques de la Revolution Francaise') on the role of Freemasonry / Illuminism in the Revolution? (Ken Campbell, theatre performer and benignly nutty theorist, died yesterday and it reminded me...I saw him do a performance in a masonic lodge in Edinburgh - it was being used as a temporary venue - and the iconography carved into the walls etc. was very similar that of the revolution's visual motifs). It seems to be either completely ignored in the 'regular' history books, other than occasional references - Claretie had some item of Desmoulins' masonic regalia, I think - or prompt lunatic frothing rantings in right-wing conspiracy theory books from Thermidor onwards. I presume regular historians don't want to go there because of the nebulousness or the weirdness it generally prompts, but if you're going to discuss Rousseau and co and their influence, it seems ridiculous to then ignore what is also so clearly a factor in the lives of the various players : it would make sense if the Breton deputies were freemasons, for example, but all discussion in books then either vanishes or becomes wild...(and very funny).
[identity profile] citoyennemiyuki.livejournal.com

Salut et Fraternité Citoyens!

I'm new on the livejournal and here too. I feel so I'm the only hungarian revolution fanXD
I watched this community for a long time, but I thought of that way, I can't post any useful things to here. I saw other revolution fan posted their arts to here. Therefore I will do it also.
I hope you like it:)










I don't draw them only so....I have revolutionary story XD They are too cute, I think.....
Soon I will continue the posting:)
(I'm sorry for grammar mistakes, my English isn't perfect)

Miyuki
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
I seem to recall reading about a letter that Robespierre sent to Camille that was along the lines of, "I'm glad you're happily married, Camille, but you've been neglecting your work."  Am I just making this up or is there such a letter?  Does anyone have a copy of the text?  French is preferred, but English is good too.
[identity profile] citoyenneclark.livejournal.com
As costuming is a bit of a hobby, and so is drawing, a while back, I did drawings of various French Revolutionaries and their clothes. (From various paintings, and books)


Here is Saint-Just, wearing the representative en mission hat. (Which does kind of look a bit silly, but as it was the standard uniform for representatives en mission, Saint-Just probably would have worn one while at the army.



Here is Theresa Caburrus. Though, as she was in jail at the time of 9th Thermidor, probably won't feature in your reenactment.



Here is Camille and Lucile Desmoulins. Yeah, I never could get Camille's face to turn out right. The text is there because I submitted this in a 6th grade art contest, and had to explain/condense their lives into a paragraph. :(




I have some others somewhere, I'll post them if there is any interest. Sorry about not being able to put these under a cut, but all the formatting buttons have disappeared.
[identity profile] citoyenneclark.livejournal.com

As some of you may know, I run a beaded jewelry business, C.Morgan Designs. http://c.morgandesigns.googlepages.com/home

I thought it would be a nice to make some French Revolutionary earrings. Here is a pair, one painting is of Saint-Just, the other Desmoulins. 

If people are intrested, I can make you a pair of earrings of any French Revolutionary you want, if you have a certain painting, or photo of a actor who played them in a movie, e-mail it or the link to me. 

my e-mail is C.MorganDesigns@gmail.com


 

This pair is currently in the possession of Susanne Alleyn, author of Game of Patience.

EDIT: I forgot to put the price in at first. 20$ per pair of earrings. The frame is made of raw brass. The post (French Hook) is made of gold plate. If you wish for gold filled (higher proportion of gold) the earrings cost 25$.

Necklaces cost 20$ (ribbon loop clasp) or 25$ for a beaded toggle.

[identity profile] jesta-ariadne.livejournal.com
...a book called "Love is Revolution - The Story of Camille Desmoulins"?? It does sound rather, uh, dramatic..! I'm intrigued.


But honestly, half the reason I'm posting is because of the summary posted here which runs as follows:
. . . Nice DW with a little rubbing and chipping to edges/spine, a few small tears, very slight loss. B&W illustrations. Biography of Camille Desmoulins, heroine of the French Revolution.

Teeheee.
[identity profile] sunliner.livejournal.com
So, I'm in AP Art History, and since our exam's done we've mostly been doing fun stuff in class. Next week we're going to be screenprinting designs onto some shirts, largely in black and white. My teacher asked us to prepare a design with a political message and my mind immediately jumped to this. )
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com
Hi everyone, I'm looking for first-hand accounts of the execution of the Dantonists, preferably in French, but English will work too.  And to round it out, Lucile's execution too, if there are any.

Also, I'm looking for photos of Camille's home and Bourg-la-Reine and Danton's country home.  I know I saw a photo of Danton's in a book somewhere, taken before it got destroyed in WW(II?), but for the life of me I can't remember where.

Thanks!
[identity profile] livviebway.livejournal.com

While writing a paper on fashion caricature in the French Revolution, I ran across this image of Camille Desmoulins by an English engraver named Richard Newton.  It was published on June 10, 1795.  This is the watercolor and ink version of an engraving that is captioned "DESMOULINS and LUCILE.  A COPY of the following LETTER from the celebrated CAMILLE DESMOULINS to his WIFE, has lately been published in PARIS.  It was found among his Papers."

I guess death really does do great things for your image.

[identity profile] toi-marguerite.livejournal.com
Hey all!

I'm writing a NaNoWriMo novel that takes place from approximately 1788- 1799 and being the crazed fangirl that I am, I'm including as many Jacobins as I can get away with. I think I've got a good handle on Robespierre, since he's the main object of my obsession, but I do confess that I have nooooooooo idea at all how to characterize Saint- Just and Desmoulins. Aside from physical descriptions, I'm not quite sure what to do personality- wise to keep them as close to life as possible.

I would look at other historical fiction books as a guide, but then we get blood-thirsty-psycopathic-murderer!Saint- Just and dumb-as-a-rock!Desmoulins and I would rather avoid those since I've figured out that they're pretty much complete fabrications.

Thank you so much to anyone who can shed some light on the subject!
[identity profile] trf-chan.livejournal.com
This month's discussion point is Camille Desmoulins.

Discuss any and all aspects of his life, how important and influential he was in the course of the Revolution, why he brings so many fangirls to the yard today, how jealous he obviously was of Saint-Just, etc. etc.

Because People!Discussion points seem to actually yield up more...discussion. O.o;

Also, feel free to use the comments to suggest other monthly topics you'd like to see coming to an LJ community near you. I expect 'Why Our Mod is Always a Week Late Putting up Monthly Discussion Points' to be rather popular, personally. D:
[identity profile] kurotoshi.livejournal.com
I was left to my own devices for about 15 minutes after a test and THESE where conceived 

WARNING! THREE BIG PICTURES! May make dial-up users cringe! PLEASE LOOK AT THESE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOUR! and forgive my shitty english >_<;; I'm french



I hope you all enjoyed it!!!!

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